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welcome back everybody very cool show

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today we're interviewing a couple guys

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that are official UFO Hunters like legit

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boots on the ground guys they have all

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kinds of gear and like nine cameras on a

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rack every Spectrum you can imagine and

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they fly all over the world and uh I

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think they've been doing this at least a

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dozen years something like that Jason

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yeah something around that uh yeah

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they've been at it for a bit Yeah and uh

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so basically they uh it's Rob Freeman

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and Mark McNabb they host the YouTube

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page called Rob Freeman UFO World

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Explorer and they're gonna chat with us

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about some of the cool things they've

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seen different parts of the world uh the

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reception they get when they go to these

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places and what kind of Technology

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they're using and how they sort of take

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a science mine and they're actually

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trying to help capture things that the

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average person wouldn't so very excited

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for today's show uh we'll be right back

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after our intro with Rob Freeman and

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Mark McNabb let's do this

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[Music]

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and welcome back to UAP studies podcast

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my name is Louis Borges join me as

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always my good friend and illustrious

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co-host Jason gilmette how are you buddy

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good morning sir how I'm doing very good

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how are you I'm doing very good we've

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got a four-way panel going on today it's

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very cool a couple of gentlemen that are

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to be quite honest they're doing things

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I wish I could do with my career in

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Spare Time these are real world UFO

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Hunters these guys go on expeditions to

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places that have had sightings or

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indigenous folklore about these things

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forever uh they go put boots on the

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ground and try to capture this stuff

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with really high-tech gear and equipment

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and you know we're uh constantly

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questing for people that are

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science-minded we're trying to prove

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something that we don't even fully

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understand and it's easy to debunk

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something when there's never any

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evidence and any proof so it's our goal

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to try to get more and more of that and

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with our research lineup of guests you

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know guys like Jacques Valley and Ross

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coltard and not today with these

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gentlemen Leslie Kane as well and Avi

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Loeb coming up so

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um again that's where we're heading with

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this we're trying to figure this out

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because let's be honest the disclosures

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lately they're not really getting us

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further ahead it almost feels like we're

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going backwards a bit and uh yeah so

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we're gonna try to do as much as we can

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to bring good information to people and

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our two guests today we've got Rob

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Freeman and Mark McNabb so Rob Freeman

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hosts Rob Freeman's UFO World Explorer

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page on YouTube which we highly

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recommend he also founded the cssaa

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which is the center for scientific study

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of atmospheric anomalies so very cool

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and we have Mark McMahon a TV producer

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documentary filmmaker uh he's the owner

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of Starlight films and as a pair they

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each take on kind of like we do you take

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half the duties I take half the duties

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let's put our heart and soul into it and

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see what we can get out of it so super

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excited to welcome to the show today Mr

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Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb

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great thank you very much Louie and

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you guys thank you so we'll try to divvy

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this up so it's because I know uh Mark

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you're uh you're injured at the moment

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and you're feeling bad about the way you

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look so you're just a shining perfect

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haired shot today yeah I got the perfect

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do going there right there that's right

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and uh and Elon Musk knows Rob Freeman's

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on starlink so he's messing with his

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internet connection but we're gonna do

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our damn just to keep this organized and

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informative so we'll start with Rob tell

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us a little bit about yourself and your

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history and what got you into all this

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through life uh you know in school and

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sales for 15 years

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which was one of Canada's first long

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distance companies I sold that

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um got involved with Mark we we did a

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lot of films together

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and it's funny because we were on the

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set we were doing a film right here at

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and it was in between sets when people

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are just talking you know while the

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actors are getting made up and so on and

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people are just chit chatting and

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different subjects come up and somebody

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mentioned has anybody seen a UFO and I

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said well I have and I told my story

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and Mark listened to the story

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and he was quite entranced by it he went

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away and did research for several months

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and I don't know if you want me to go

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back to the very first sighting I had

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yeah it's pretty it's pretty trippy I

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like I like that story yeah yeah so this

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was a story I told there were two

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stories and uh um basically I was in

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Scouts in Sarnia Ontario I was 12 years

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Presbyterian Church in Sarnia it kind of

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this is Southern Ontario right at the

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bottom of Lake Huron where Sarnia is

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across from Port here in Michigan

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and my mom had says you know when Scouts

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pick you up go outside to church the

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back door on Front Street there

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overlooking the river and I'll pick you

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up there so I went outside when church

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was over I'd call my mom she said she'd

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playing in the street and they said hey

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mister uh there's a helicopter up in the

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sky and I you know me with my hat tie

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and shiny boots and belt and all this

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stuff I guess I looked like a mister to

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them there were maybe six or seven you

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know people wouldn't let their kids play

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but they did then and I looked up and I

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saw this light moving

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and I didn't hear any noise and I said

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kids that's not a helicopter

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and they said what is it I said I don't

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kids disappeared and it's this bright

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light that's going from the north to the

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basically almost over me but just over a

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bit more sort of over the river

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changed Direction it was instantaneous

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and that was immediately when the lights

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went out of my head and I thought my God

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instantaneously you know if it's a plane

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a semi-circle or a u if it was a

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helicopter it would have to come to a

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stop then accelerate back

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uh what was it so you know I was

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thinking is this a UFO and we called

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them flying saucers back then and uh but

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I didn't know but I have what could it

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be some secret military craft so I was

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kind of torn between the two ideas you

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that's classified that they're testing

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there is Selfridge Air Force Base just

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20 minutes down the river on the U.S

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side so I didn't know if it might be

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something out of there anyway each time

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that it changed Direction it would come

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a thousand feet up and maybe 900 and

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got lower and then when it was maybe

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about 600 feet up

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I could see what almost looked like a

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lens in the bottom

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and it looked like the light was coming

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and I could see figures moving behind

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this lens and I thought oh my God the

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hair went up on my arms

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and now I'm thinking here I am alone

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uh please Mom get here as soon as you

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can you know and then she arrived within

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a minute later

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but and it almost looked like it was

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spinning so fast that it kind of goes

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the other way or something

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and as soon as my mom arrived I said Mom

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you got to get out of the car there's a

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there's a UFO up in the sky she said

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don't be silly it's a plane or a bird or

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a balloon or something I says no get it

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out of the car so we're sparring back

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and forth for about 20 seconds finally

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she gets out of the car we look up and

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it's gone

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so you know things are pretty quiet in

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the car on the way home I you know I was

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disappointed because now she I thought

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that she thought that I'm just making

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all this up somehow and then I got home

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and I told my dad and my brother and

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they just laughed so I was kind of

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annoyed and frustrated and

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you know nobody's believing me so I just

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went into my room closed the door did my

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homework and went to bed

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and then next day is a new day you know

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everything's fine again and I go to

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school then when I come back home

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my mom's all excited

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and she's got the newspaper open and she

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says Rob what you saw last night is on

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the front page of the newspaper

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and over 200 people saw it

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and my first thought was yes there is a

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God and I was so happy because for me

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that was like validation that I wasn't

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lying to my parents you know we trust

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our parents we hope they trust us and

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it's very important that they support us

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and I sure didn't feel supported the

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night before

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by anybody in my family and so to get

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that validation was pretty cool and I've

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never worried about it since you know

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many people have been worried about

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their jobs over the years and well

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people laugh at me honestly I don't care

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because I got my validation on the front

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page of the Sarnia newspaper so if

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people question me I say well you know

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go to this newspaper I'll even send you

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a copy and you look at it you know I was

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just one of 200 people if you don't

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believe me listen to their story so that

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and uh and then the next day at school

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my friend who lived across the street

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from us

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he says Rob I'd love to see a flying

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saucer how could we do that

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and I just made it up I said well maybe

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if we go on the roof of my house on a

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clear night we'll be able to see

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something

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of stars and we you know went up to the

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with a very uh not a very high pitched

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roof and we had an antenna that has all

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the like the X's you know it's like a

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triangle type structure where you can

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climb up very easily uh and onto the

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roof and we took our you know sleeping

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bags pillows Compass flashlight

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walkie-talkies uh tape recorder uh

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binoculars you know original Sky

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watching kit right yeah

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and yeah and we were up there for about

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30 minutes nothing

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and you know this would have been in uh

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early April 1966 so it was a little bit

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cold

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and I said to my friend this is you know

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what I don't think we're going to

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and I was about to say see anything

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and as I said the words

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see

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all of a sudden I got stopped in my

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tracks and uh to the north there was

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like hundreds of lights that went from

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the north Horizon right across the sky

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in about a second and a half to the

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South rise

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and we're just you know sitting there on

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the roof in awe looking at this it's

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like wow that just seemed like that was

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up in the heavens

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what is that like a meteor shower or

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something

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what is that birds know and then we're

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talking like what could it be

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and 30 seconds later the same thing from

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the south back to the north

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and it's like wow and they seem to be in

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the heavens and it was like a whole

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Fleet

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of lights that were just infinitely far

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away in this guy that went across the

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sky and I could second and a half so

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very fast just boom and uh we climbed

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down the antenna we went across the

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street to his folks place where my folks

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were having coffee with his mom and dad

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and we were all excited to tell them

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this story and I thought they would be

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receptive after being in the newspaper

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just a few days before they couldn't

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care less

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so they were more interested in chit

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chatting and having their coffee so we

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you know we left his place and discussed

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went back across to my place and put on

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Star Trek that was it so fast forward

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back to you know a few years ago there I

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guess Mark would be about eight years

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ago now

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it'll be eight years in February yes

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yeah

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he said who was listening to the story

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and Mark was interested in the second

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story and Mark this is where I'll let

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you pick it up from here

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pretty amazing for me because

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um I had known Rob for several years at

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this point he was telling me these

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stories and the first story you know

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it's classic you know it's a very

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classic kind of story you know Saw The

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Light saw the UFO it got written up in

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the paper absolutely

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um but being a Storyteller I kind of got

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pulled in with the thought and visuals

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of two boys shimmying up the antenna of

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a house with a little makeshift Sky

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watching kit it had a very Spielberg

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kind of feel for me you know I was I was

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I don't know I think it was like nine

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years old when I saw Close Encounters of

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the Third Kind so I had all and of

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course of course E.T you know so you

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have all this pullback to to these kind

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of images of two boys wanting to make

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contact you know from the roof of of of

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their parents home and I got very

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fascinated by that you know very very

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very just one track mind and as Rob

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mentioned I spent several months and I

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did I got on uh you know bless Facebook

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you know I got on Facebook and started

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to bring up all these different um

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groups around the world pockets of

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people you know whether it be Peru

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whether it be Australia you know

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um different places in Europe you know

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and got exposed and I'll say this

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quickly uh keep the story you know kind

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of brief but got exposed to more

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knowledge on what's called Close

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Encounters of the fifth kind and I'm

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sure anybody that knows the scale you

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know the the heinek scale and the

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extended scale knows one through seven

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and I won't get into the other six but

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number five deals with bilateral or

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unilateral communication direct

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communication with extraterrestrials and

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that fascinated me

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um I got very into that and I thought

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these These are people individuals

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around the world that have taken it upon

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themselves to willingly in with all

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intent in their hearts to make contact

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and I felt that that's what Rob and his

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friend did that night I felt that they

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had made a full attempt and had an

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experience a sighting based on that

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um so after I contacted a whole series

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of different groups and talked to

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wonderful individuals all around the

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world and they're talking to me about

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being in the fields being on beaches

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being in jungles and in deserts doing

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this I came back to Rob and I pitched

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him as a producer as a friend and said

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I'd like I'd like to I'd like I'd like

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to see us go here and here and here

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these different places and Rob was into

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it right away he said okay you know

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where do we go first and of course our

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first our first road trip our first

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plane ride road trip was into uh to Area

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51 which we're actually going back to in

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a couple of weeks we're excited about

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that very that's we're we're telling you

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guys for the first time we're going some

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we're going back after eight years and

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going to uh a secret location and we're

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excited we're excited about going there

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and that kind of started the whole the

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whole thing you know every year

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we would be introduced it's funny when

415
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you look at the the wmd the weapon of

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mass detection robs cameras it's like I

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know I know how many years we've been

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doing it there are about seven or eight

419
00:17:03,650 --> 00:17:00,420
cameras now Rob every year representing

420
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a camera you know every every year we've

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been every year we've been doing it Rob

422
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would add thermal or full spectrum or a

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night vision because we would learn get

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technology and information coming our

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way and um 16 countries now 16 countries

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over 50 cities

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um just added a couple of new countries

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this year to take it to 16 when we went

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to Ecuador and Italy so it just um yeah

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it's it's definitely the adventure of a

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lifetime so tell us about some of the

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cooler thing I mean obviously 16

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countries it's more data than we can

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discuss in this program but give us some

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memorable things like

436
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things that made you guys go wow like

437
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:42,299
what the hell is really going on you

438
00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:43,740
know where that's where our curious

439
00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:45,780
minds want to go so give us some Goods

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okay do you want lights in this do you

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want lights in the sky or experiences on

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the ground

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00:18:00,850 --> 00:17:58,380
whatever you feel I we got a bit of both

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mix it up for our viewers okay okay

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I guess

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this is everybody knows about that one

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that was on a BC Expedition and it was

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um just outside the town of Squamish BC

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British Columbia which you guys would

450
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,039
know about that and yeah and we we felt

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we were gonna see something there were

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four of us and and we really felt we

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found this spot on a Logging Road they

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had a beautiful view of the you know the

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monolith there the uh

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um uh the Squamish uh what do they call

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that the chief uh yeah it kind of goes

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straight down it's like one of the few

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sheer cliff

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yeah

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and at 10 59 and you know uh this was

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before I used to have all my equipment

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running

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uh as you know with so many cameras

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that's a lot of gigabytes that it's

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recording so I would have everything on

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but it wasn't recording I would you know

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record if something would occur but I

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was just near the wmd talking to Mark

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casually and Breslin of our group said

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what's that over there and I looked and

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there was a light moving pardon me it

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was like a yellowish color light

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and I immediately went to the wnd which

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camera first do I turn on and as I

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looked where the light was I thought my

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God I'm gonna I can pick one camera

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because it's going to be in the woods in

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just a few seconds so I my immediate uh

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Instinct was to hit the the green night

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vision zoom camera so I I started the

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recording on that I got it aimed up and

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I just fall with it and the sighting is

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only 10 seconds long and you see it go

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right into the woods and that's where

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you hear it's kind of gasp you know it's

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in the woods and you can see the trees

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light up behind it and the ones light up

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in front so

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um you know that was pretty exceptional

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and we had uh Dave palacek from mufon uh

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researched that one out and he deemed it

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to be an unknown it was not the ISS the

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ISS had gone through maybe 10 minutes

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before

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um and even if it was the ISS which it

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wasn't it wouldn't have been seen at the

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angle we were were at this was all

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determined by mufine so I and various

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other people told us so and it was in

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the trees right

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it was in the trees as well so it

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couldn't have been the uh the ISS it was

504
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yeah exactly and if anybody wants to see

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it you know the way YouTube works when

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videos get old it's hard to find them

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they they take them out of the search

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engine they want you to see current

509
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content so I get I would suggest people

510
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just go to our YouTube channel uh Rob

511
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Freeman UFO World Explorer and just

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click on videos and go most popular and

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then you'll see it right at the top

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because people have complained to us

515
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they're putting in Search terms and they

516
00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,799
cannot find that video well YouTube

517
00:21:02,029 --> 00:21:00,360
doesn't want you to find it they want

518
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,039
you to look at everybody's current

519
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:04,320
material right yeah but you go to go to

520
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:06,179
our Channel and go to videos and go to

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most viewed and you'll see it there and

522
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that's a great video too because that

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00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:11,640
video actually kind of became the

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signature sighting

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00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,440
um we ended up getting contacted by um a

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producer through CNN you know because it

527
00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:22,679
became something it's been I think it's

528
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been in three or four or maybe even five

529
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different documentaries now just because

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it it was I think it was even in the top

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12 of that year of of being a complete

532
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unknown so that's uh that's pretty

533
00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:37,860
exciting for us cool thing about that

534
00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:39,539
part of the world too in BC is that's

535
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,580
you know Bigfoot country or Sasquatch

536
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,159
let you know Legends seem to happen and

537
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,600
like ever since we chatted with George

538
00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:47,580
Knapp and call him Kelleher six months

539
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:49,320
ago and they were like yeah we used to

540
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,900
be nuts and bolts ufologists now all

541
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,520
this stuff is possible Poltergeist

542
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,640
encrypted and Bigfoot and orbs and it's

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00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,500
it's stranger now than it's ever been

544
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,720
but it's you know as soon as you said

545
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:02,220
Squamish and I've seen the video it

546
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:03,600
looks like a green ore but I think

547
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:05,400
that's because your night vision you

548
00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:06,780
described it as more of a yellowish

549
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,480
color but but yeah you can very clearly

550
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:11,460
see this thing going through the sky and

551
00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:13,260
then it goes into the woods and you're

552
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:14,820
right the trees in front kind of light

553
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,860
up as it passes and sort of the ones

554
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:19,200
behind and that's pretty hard to fake in

555
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:21,059
terms of video like people have done a

556
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,159
pretty good job with CGI and things like

557
00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:25,200
that but to get the lighting angles

558
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:28,140
right on a million branches that's a lot

559
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:29,580
more time than most people are going to

560
00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,580
raise you know

561
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:34,740
yeah and there was no sound with that

562
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:37,860
and I guess what did Dave figure out how

563
00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:39,720
big that was Mark

564
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:42,120
um he put that at between six and eight

565
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:43,559
feet wide

566
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:44,760
okay

567
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,100
that's trippy that's trippy so what have

568
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,840
you guys been up to as of late let's

569
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,520
talk a little bit about that because you

570
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,340
guys have been at it again uh doing a

571
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:58,679
few trips this year let's uh let's

572
00:23:01,549 --> 00:23:00,419
actually start with Mark Mark how did

573
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,559
this all start

574
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,320
well you know Jason 2022 has been really

575
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:06,720
exciting Rob and I are always looking to

576
00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:08,820
double down on our knowledge and our

577
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,919
learning and

578
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:12,960
you know everyone has their own

579
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,539
approaches and and our approach is we

580
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:17,640
take in all the approaches you know we

581
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:20,100
wanted we wanted we want to be

582
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,120
um exposed in to all the different ways

583
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:27,840
of making contact you know and and for

584
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:31,919
us it really started in 2016 the bigger

585
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:34,620
stuff when we went to South America you

586
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,780
know we went to Peru we've been to Peru

587
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:38,640
a couple of times and I'll I'll touch on

588
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:41,580
them both briefly but while we were in

589
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:44,940
Peru in 2016 we met a gentleman his name

590
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:48,659
is Sixto paswells and he's a 40 plus

591
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:52,500
year contactee who has taken the media

592
00:23:57,730 --> 00:23:55,740
out to the deserts in chilka and Playa

593
00:24:00,430 --> 00:23:57,740
and all these different places

594
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:00,440
throughout Peru because in South America

595
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:04,620
this is this is not a it's not a strange

596
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:08,159
topic I mean Rob and I went in 2016 and

597
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,200
and literally we laugh about it because

598
00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:13,080
we talked to painters painters guys just

599
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,580
painting on the beaches of Playa Yaya

600
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:18,840
painting a cottage and you come up to

601
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,780
them they don't know who we are I stay I

602
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,240
stepped back about six or eight feet Rob

603
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:26,220
starts to talk to them about what you've

604
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:28,500
seen and the first thing they say is oh

605
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,419
this light came out of the water and

606
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,220
came up and it floated over the water

607
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,500
and over the mountain and it's like a

608
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,720
normal Saturday afternoon conversation

609
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,600
this isn't a this isn't a strange thing

610
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:42,480
for them this is this is as normal as

611
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:44,460
anything it's only I don't know guys

612
00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:45,900
maybe we could talk about this near the

613
00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:47,640
end of the show or at some point too but

614
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,640
in North America

615
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:52,260
entirely different understanding of that

616
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,140
so we've enjoyed going back back to

617
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,120
South America on multiple occasions we

618
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,820
went back again in 2019. here comes my

619
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:01,740
plug I'm sorry it's my 10 second plug

620
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,400
but we did um movie a full length

621
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,559
um doc uh the actual documentary called

622
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:09,900
making contact messages from the Andes

623
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,740
which is coming out very early 2023 into

624
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,539
different festivals and screenings

625
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,280
around the world and different things

626
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:18,900
that we're doing with that and we spent

627
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:21,900
time with another contactee much like

628
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,779
six though Ricardo Gonzalez and we spent

629
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,360
18 days and had so many different

630
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,000
experiences with him again it would be

631
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:32,880
just a whole other show and it made us

632
00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,120
go back again to Ecuador and that

633
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,000
happened in April of 2022 again

634
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:41,460
connecting with more

635
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,320
all I can say is

636
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:45,960
there is a scientific side and there's

637
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:48,120
also a spiritual side when it comes to

638
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:49,980
Consciousness and raising your

639
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:53,820
vibrations and energy levels and being

640
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,220
in very like you had mentioned

641
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:58,679
earlier about being an indigenous areas

642
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:02,400
you know being in sacred areas

643
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,340
um early civilization Style

644
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:08,400
this is conducive there is a natural

645
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:12,059
energy that can have a big part of the

646
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,240
phenomenon as well so Rob and I went to

647
00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:18,000
Ecuador again experienced some very cool

648
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,419
things in Ecuador for sure

649
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,120
um and learned a lot through the guys

650
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,159
there you know that that are part of

651
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:29,580
mission Rama that that do this higher

652
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:31,799
level of Consciousness and meditation to

653
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:34,740
make contact so that was one

654
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,620
and the next one I'll skip over I'll

655
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,820
skip over because I know this is a

656
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279
shorter program we also got the chance

657
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,200
to do probably the biggest Expedition

658
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,840
that we've had the opportunity to do in

659
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,480
many years when we went to Italy and we

660
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,940
spent considerable amount of time in two

661
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,740
different valleys

662
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,840
and what's amazing about this is It's a

663
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:56,159
first because we've not had the chance

664
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,440
to talk about this on a podcast so we're

665
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,120
really glad to talk to you guys about it

666
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,640
yeah awesome you know it's it's a cool

667
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:04,740
exclusive because this this became

668
00:27:09,789 --> 00:27:08,039
national news in October we spent time

669
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:09,799
with a gentleman

670
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:13,020
Alessandro Rosia I believe I hope I'm

671
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,460
saying I'm pronouncing his last name

672
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:15,900
correctly

673
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,020
um who was in the uh in the Army and and

674
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,720
and and had many many many experiences

675
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:23,760
and then he had a falling out with the

676
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,900
government

677
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:27,659
um and with um who he was with it became

678
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,200
a a criminal case in Italy that he

679
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,480
couldn't talk about but for some reason

680
00:27:39,169 --> 00:27:35,580
suddenly there he is sitting across a

681
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:39,179
table from Rob Freeman talking and

682
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,620
talking and talking and talking and

683
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:42,779
showing pictures will never forget

684
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,159
because they're mind-blowing amazing

685
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,419
groundbreaking pictures and then we

686
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:50,159
weren't allowed to talk about it we came

687
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,720
back in September we weren't allowed to

688
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,220
talk about it because he's in the middle

689
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:55,679
of this criminal case but then in

690
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,500
October if you bring them up online

691
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,720
he went for it he said forget this

692
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:02,880
forget the gag order forget everything

693
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,059
and it became national news and that was

694
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:08,940
a part of Italy for us you know being

695
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,240
with him and being with

696
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,279
experiencers real experiencers that are

697
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,740
having real encounters which is a part

698
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,080
of another set of programs that we're

699
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:21,779
doing now under what's called encounters

700
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,600
but I'll let Rob jump in and quickly

701
00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:27,120
talk to about what we saw while we were

702
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:28,520
in Italy

703
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,400
yeah so I guess the very first thing was

704
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:35,159
when we were at Val let's see which one

705
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:36,840
was this Mark Val the one with the

706
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:41,039
cathedral oh Val Milenko Val Milenko we

707
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:42,779
were and this was pretty neat the way it

708
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,659
all happened it was high up on a

709
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:47,520
mountain overlooking the valley over to

710
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:49,980
a cathedral now this Cathedral is

711
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:51,779
hundreds of years old and there's lots

712
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,460
of sightings connected with this

713
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,159
cathedral in all their writings of the

714
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,260
cathedral they talk about all these

715
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:00,840
crafts in the sky like hundreds of years

716
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:03,179
ago so that was pretty cool and we could

717
00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:05,880
see across to that and amazingly enough

718
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,419
in my time lapse on the previous night

719
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:12,000
there had been a thunderstorm and we

720
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,279
happened to catch in the time lapse a

721
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:16,620
thunderbolt hitting the cathedral and

722
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,020
it's it's a super fabulous picture yeah

723
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,659
you know I I nobody got hurt of course

724
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,840
it just probably hit a lightning rod at

725
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:26,880
the top and discharged to ground safely

726
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:30,600
but the next night we went up there and

727
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,419
it was raining and we knew we wouldn't

728
00:29:37,730 --> 00:29:35,039
be able to get the equipment out of the

729
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,740
car but we just decided to go for it we

730
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,419
were being spontaneous and we thought

731
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,059
we're open to anything because you know

732
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,340
as we have found out it's literally

733
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:47,520
maybe 20 about what's up in the sky and

734
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:50,760
the lights the other eighty percent is

735
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:52,380
crazy things that happen on the ground

736
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:55,020
and experiences and you know that's a

737
00:30:02,930 --> 00:29:56,399
whole other program

738
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,850
through the mountains it's paved but

739
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,539
there's nowhere to pull over it's like

740
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,600
trees right beside the road so you

741
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:11,220
literally if you want it to even turn

742
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,740
around you've got to find

743
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:15,600
um just a bit of an opening in the trees

744
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,179
because there's hardly enough space to

745
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,919
even turn around you'd be at risk of

746
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,200
another car coming the other way hitting

747
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,659
your car and there's so many turns so

748
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:27,080
we were at the corner of one of these

749
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:31,140
and it was a little uh Vista area there

750
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:33,000
was a stone wall there and then when you

751
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,559
were there parked in the car you could

752
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:37,260
see out over the valley and across over

753
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,620
to this Cathedral and but it was pouring

754
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,760
rain

755
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:44,640
and we're just talking and reminiscing

756
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:46,679
and we're we're having fun Mark and I

757
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,039
connected on another level literally but

758
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,140
we were really enjoying ourselves and

759
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,320
then I said uh Mark oh there's it looks

760
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,020
like there's a car coming I see it in I

761
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,000
see the lights in the trees

762
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,520
you'll you'll see the car in about four

763
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:05,460
or five seconds because I happen to look

764
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:08,120
back behind the car and I could see this

765
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,020
generally we were looking forward

766
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:13,020
through the dash over across the valley

767
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,200
and all of a sudden maybe about six

768
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,960
seconds later Mark says well where's the

769
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,159
car

770
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:22,860
and I look back nothing

771
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:25,860
and it's like well but the way we saw it

772
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:27,419
light up was like it was just coming

773
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,860
around the corner and it lit up the

774
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:29,760
trees

775
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:32,340
so we didn't really think too much more

776
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:34,260
of that but then

777
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:37,320
uh not long afterwards when we were

778
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:41,159
getting ready to go out like to leave

779
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:44,700
I started to back up onto the road and

780
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,279
as I backed up in the other direction

781
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,120
again I saw all the trees light up as if

782
00:31:55,610 --> 00:31:52,799
there was a car literally just around

783
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,620
the corner and I you know four letter

784
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,740
word I said and I said geez I better

785
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:01,080
get back you know the way the speed that

786
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:02,340
this light's coming he's going to come

787
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,659
around the corner he's going to hit me

788
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,240
I'm trying to back up onto the road so I

789
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,600
just put it in drive I went forward and

790
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:11,820
did a big loop around

791
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,399
but as I went around this was literally

792
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,279
just seconds later that light was gone

793
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,720
also

794
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:21,360
and Mark maybe you can continue on with

795
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,679
the story because this is where we

796
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,080
started questioning what we saw

797
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:27,240
yeah like it was such a thing because

798
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,960
you know your your mind takes you to the

799
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,600
logical place every time right I mean

800
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,480
you you apply rules to something that

801
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,760
you experience or rules to a light that

802
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:40,500
you see and I the only thing I said to

803
00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:42,419
Rob after this happened around the car

804
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:43,799
was

805
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:46,620
why are we assuming it's a car why did

806
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,600
we assume it at all like from the even

807
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:50,700
the beginning you know like we're we are

808
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,919
literally defining labeling that

809
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:55,679
experience or or labeling that light

810
00:33:02,510 --> 00:32:59,340
coming up on the side of the car as

811
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:02,520
being a car light based on based on the

812
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,440
mind taking it there and filling in all

813
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:06,299
the blanks like I mean literally all the

814
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:09,539
blanks like not one but all

815
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,220
um and that was kind of something we

816
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:13,200
started to laugh about later saying well

817
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:15,059
it's it's a car light until it's not a

818
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,159
car light you know and we had we've

819
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:19,500
experienced that before when we went to

820
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:23,220
Sedona fast 30 seconds but where Rob saw

821
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,220
a satellite in the sky and he went under

822
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:27,840
his breath you know oh it's just another

823
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,200
blah blah satellite and then and then it

824
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,600
stopped and sat there

825
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,179
right and then he went and then I that

826
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,740
was when we coined the phrase well it's

827
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,360
a satellite until it's not a satellite

828
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,460
especially when the satellite then took

829
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,860
out his cellular transmission for the

830
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,240
rest of the evening you know he couldn't

831
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:47,100
he couldn't use his cell phone there was

832
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,380
no there was no connection with his cell

833
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:51,960
phone so then I said to him well that

834
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,820
was kind of the lesson learned in Sedona

835
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,980
white could not have applied here we

836
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,720
thought it was a car light because it

837
00:34:02,450 --> 00:33:59,580
had the characteristics of a car light

838
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,460
but then it proved to us twice

839
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,740
that it wasn't a car light because we

840
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,200
went up the road as far like I don't

841
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:09,659
know a mile two two kilometers at least

842
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:13,260
both sides no turnaround points no

843
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,139
driveways thin Road this car would have

844
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,179
had to have backed up for two kilometers

845
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,220
with its lights off to get away from us

846
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:22,619
in less than two minutes like this

847
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:24,540
doesn't make sense like if we're going

848
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:27,720
to apply logic let's apply logic to all

849
00:34:34,089 --> 00:34:31,619
of it and say logically does it make

850
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:34,099
sense that these lights would just

851
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,980
disappear doesn't make sense yeah I've

852
00:34:41,629 --> 00:34:39,899
been to Europe they know the roads

853
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:41,639
especially in Italy like there I

854
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,980
remember I'm Portuguese by my Heritage

855
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,659
so you know you're getting a bus and

856
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,820
it's going down these tiny winding roads

857
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:49,919
there's no way for anything to pass

858
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:52,080
anything let alone pull a U-turn these

859
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,540
are like you know old like stone walls

860
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,300
with like plants growing on them barely

861
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,820
wide enough for two mopeds to pass and

862
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,440
it's so windy and dangerous you're right

863
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:03,720
nobody would ever for two kilometers

864
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,700
because the risk is somebody would hit

865
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:07,260
you and they drive like hell in Europe

866
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:09,960
like it's one speed and it's wide open

867
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,200
everywhere you know Dad said and the

868
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:15,960
other thing was Louie is that in the

869
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,460
whole night I think there was only one

870
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:20,400
other vehicle on that road yeah and so

871
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,220
literally if if these were Vehicles out

872
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,400
of three vehicles two turned around out

873
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,680
of three yeah like nobody ever turns

874
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:30,599
around on those roads you you go until

875
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,619
you find somebody's driveway

876
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:35,640
right if you're out in the middle of the

877
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,220
woods all you hear the nature and you

878
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:40,079
would hear a moped or the exhaust or

879
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:42,660
something if it was if it was a machine

880
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,720
yeah so you know we learned our lesson

881
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,640
there don't assume

882
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:49,800
don't assume like don't as Mark says

883
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,680
don't it try don't try to apply rules on

884
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,740
what you think it might be like just be

885
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:58,020
open-minded and just watch just follow

886
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,820
the whole experience

887
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:03,119
but uh then Mark remember we went what

888
00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:05,180
was the next place we went to

889
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:08,280
well then we went up into even farther

890
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,640
north and we went up to valcamonica and

891
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:14,220
balcamonica is just legendary I mean

892
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,260
there's just so much activity up there

893
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,140
and we were really fortunate because we

894
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:22,800
got to be with two gentlemen who

895
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,020
have done a lot of research up there and

896
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:26,880
they basically facilitate all the

897
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,859
evidence and they facilitate all the

898
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,480
different experiences

899
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,640
our heads were filled it's a it's going

900
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:34,560
to be a fantastic documentary again

901
00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,320
called encounters Italy and and it's

902
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,060
amazing because

903
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:41,820
you know they had the pizza which is the

904
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,000
pizza the Monte Pizza up there and uh

905
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,920
again if you bring it up online and it's

906
00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:48,359
it's it's pretty incredible and they

907
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,339
filled our our heads for five days we

908
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:52,800
saved up in a kind of a chalet I guess

909
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:54,540
it's kind of like a chalet type of thing

910
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:58,560
up there and um we I mean rob you go

911
00:37:02,930 --> 00:36:59,880
ahead you got to tell your story about

912
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,329
yeah so each night there was a little

913
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:07,380
village up on the mount and there were

914
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,180
stories about encounters up in that

915
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,880
Village and you know we saw some

916
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:15,000
pictures from the army guy of beings

917
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:17,160
that were filmed up there at that very

918
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:18,119
spot

919
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:21,000
and so you know in the afternoon early

920
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:22,380
evening or whatever we would kind of

921
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,260
hike up to that spot along the road all

922
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:26,400
of us

923
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:29,520
and I remember uh on the second last

924
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,260
night the last name whatever it was I I

925
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:33,000
had my cell phone and I thought it was

926
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,300
only at 10 or 20 percent and I thought

927
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,160
should I bring out a spare battery and

928
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:40,079
oh I can't be bothered to go back to the

929
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:40,859
room

930
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,240
to get a battery to plug in so you know

931
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,280
we were up at the top and I was doing

932
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:49,859
some filming my phone went dead

933
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,680
and I said I was just pretending I was

934
00:37:58,130 --> 00:37:54,780
talking to the ETS and I said okay guys

935
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,140
you can show yourselves now my camera is

936
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:01,920
dead I can't film you anyway

937
00:38:07,849 --> 00:38:05,220
and I turn around and look

938
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:07,859
and right across the mountain halfway

939
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:11,760
down is a classic craft moving across

940
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,560
the mountain

941
00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:16,800
and I uh well there you go you know they

942
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,619
they answered my request they knew I

943
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,380
didn't have a camera to film with

944
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:25,140
and I said and my you know my phone had

945
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,420
gone dead I saw a little wheel turn and

946
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:29,280
then the phone went dead

947
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,220
and I said to one of the others I said

948
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:34,260
wouldn't it be funny if we get back down

949
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,820
to the lodge

950
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,760
and my phone came back on again because

951
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,339
you know we've had many situations where

952
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,500
Electronics have gone wonky with this

953
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,119
phenomenon I mean that's pretty common

954
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,339
everybody knows about that we've had

955
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:49,859
entire battery packs go down phones

956
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,020
everything you know Mark's lost his

957
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,720
audio channel on his camera just when

958
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,119
one of the interviewees is going to talk

959
00:39:03,710 --> 00:38:59,339
about things that can happen when you're

960
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,720
filming you know and so I you know I

961
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,220
wouldn't be surprised so I said wouldn't

962
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,380
it be funny if my phone comes back on

963
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:09,540
again so I told everybody else what I

964
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,460
had seen you know that was cool

965
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,859
and we all went back down

966
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:16,200
now you know we're all wearing hiking

967
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:17,940
boots and the deal is there's a room as

968
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:19,500
soon as you get into the lodge you have

969
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,020
to take your boots off because there's

970
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,599
cows everywhere it's free range and

971
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:26,220
sooner or later you put your foot in the

972
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,119
cow pie so the deal is it is Lodge No

973
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:32,579
Footwear in the rooms they don't want it

974
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:36,599
smelling like cow poop so I I you know I

975
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,420
went into the room to take my boots off

976
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:42,060
and of course you know we as guys we

977
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,740
keep our phone in our back pocket and

978
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,140
typically I take my phone out of my back

979
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,420
pocket before I sit on a wooden bench

980
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:50,579
because I'm worried about damaging my

981
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,640
phone right so I took my phone out and

982
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,040
I'd look at it and it's on

983
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,079
and I thought wait a minute that's what

984
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,820
I just said up on the mountain wouldn't

985
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:02,160
it be funny if it was on again and it

986
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,119
was

987
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,820
and then I'm telling Marcus about this

988
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,980
and he's now in the room with some

989
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,440
others I go off to dinner and the others

990
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,480
are going to join me in a few minutes

991
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:15,839
and Mark say what you saw or what

992
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,540
happened to you just moments later yeah

993
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,579
it all happened within a very short

994
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,740
period of time I mean we I was with

995
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:25,680
Felicia one of the group members and we

996
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:28,619
were in the back room and Felice was

997
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:32,099
using the washroom and same thing he's

998
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:34,020
like come here can you please come here

999
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,079
and I came to him he said look what do

1000
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:40,079
you see and there it was right over the

1001
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:42,420
pizza right over the pizza like a like a

1002
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:45,720
cylinder style classic kind of disc and

1003
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,119
he said to me you see this right like

1004
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:50,880
it's not real unless you have a witness

1005
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,619
and Rob and I have always said that too

1006
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,599
you have to have a witness if you're

1007
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:56,000
doing if you're doing it on your own

1008
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:59,880
sure you know you you the mind can play

1009
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,619
tricks let's just say that the mind

1010
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:03,300
could play tricks you could see a light

1011
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,400
you could see a refraction of something

1012
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:07,859
you could see anything but we sat there

1013
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,619
stood there and watched it for I don't

1014
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:13,380
know six or eight seconds and and again

1015
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:16,859
I have pictures that still blow Felice

1016
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,780
still sends me pictures because they

1017
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:20,820
what they do up there is they have um

1018
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:24,180
surveillance cameras security monitors

1019
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,660
and cameras up there and Felicia has the

1020
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,060
ability to access this footage and he

1021
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,400
still sends me footage and photographs

1022
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,040
today showing me the different objects

1023
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:36,960
that people see in and around that

1024
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,339
Valley

1025
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:40,020
um all kinds of things have happened

1026
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:42,420
there I mean the CIA has come there I

1027
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,940
mean they've had all kinds of different

1028
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:48,000
things over the years so

1029
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:49,800
um we're going back we got to go back

1030
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:52,440
you know it's um there's a lot of

1031
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,220
Legends and a lot of understandings that

1032
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,599
extraterrestrials visit that Valley and

1033
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,480
uh have made themselves a part of

1034
00:42:05,089 --> 00:42:02,520
different villages in the past that that

1035
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:05,099
they're studying they're studying humans

1036
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,780
I mean this is what they're doing this

1037
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:08,940
is this is this is the understanding too

1038
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,400
that Rob that's had with talks with with

1039
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,740
different people too that I think it was

1040
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,540
the geological they're they're studying

1041
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,760
the geological formations and stuff too

1042
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,260
Rob I think

1043
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:22,200
yeah yeah there's one group of ETS that

1044
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,020
are actually they say are embedded in

1045
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:27,119
one of the villages and you know they

1046
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,060
look just like us and and they're not

1047
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,920
interested in these ones are not

1048
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:33,119
interested in humans they've been

1049
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,660
studying the geological evolution of the

1050
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:40,079
Earth for a few thousand years and they

1051
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:41,820
don't care about the humans these

1052
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:43,619
particular ones are more interested in

1053
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:46,859
the evolution of the earth geologically

1054
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,359
speaking

1055
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:50,820
and Mark I just want to say too that

1056
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,920
same night where you where I had the

1057
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,240
sighting and you and Felicia had

1058
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,640
deciding we had all kinds of anomalous

1059
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,040
stuff happen with the the phones like

1060
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,619
this you mentioned about you all of a

1061
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,359
sudden we're connected to Wi-Fi and

1062
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,520
there was no Wi-Fi up there yeah I've

1063
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:07,800
never had a Wi-Fi signal suddenly I

1064
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,140
opened up my phone and it showed that I

1065
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,660
had Wi-Fi and I had a connection but

1066
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:13,920
we're in the middle of nowhere and there

1067
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:15,420
was no Wi-Fi connection there wasn't

1068
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:16,980
even a router or anything that you could

1069
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,079
connect to and that stuff was just

1070
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,640
happening it seemed to be happening like

1071
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:22,800
every few hours some kind of strange

1072
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:25,740
anomalous experience amazing absolutely

1073
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:28,680
amazing good technological uh High

1074
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,140
strangeness as uh one would say right

1075
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,540
yeah well you'd think aliens gonna have

1076
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,520
the best internet I mean clearly oh yeah

1077
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,280
oh yeah well yeah and I remember I

1078
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,020
remember that story Mark what's the

1079
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:42,420
fella Gary King we met in England who

1080
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,520
does the crop circle stuff Gary yeah

1081
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:47,520
yeah he said that he was researching

1082
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,099
crop circles and he was in an area of

1083
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,839
England where there was no cellular

1084
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,040
service

1085
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:55,920
And yet when they stepped into a crop

1086
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,640
circle he had full bars on his cell

1087
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,339
phone and was able to make a call

1088
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:05,339
he steps out of the circle and there's

1089
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,220
no cell service so once again you know

1090
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,319
these are all little tricks they're just

1091
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:13,200
little cookies they're little uh little

1092
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,240
carrots we call them Cosmic carrots

1093
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,280
they're just little things to get your

1094
00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:19,380
intention to get your attention and

1095
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,300
you're you're scratching your head and

1096
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:23,700
it's like what this isn't really logical

1097
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:26,819
and normal according to all the stuff we

1098
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,520
know like the physics we understand but

1099
00:44:32,809 --> 00:44:31,200
there's a lot more to it than that I'm

1100
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,819
sure it's going to be all connected with

1101
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:35,339
quantum physics as we get into this more

1102
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,359
and more

1103
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:38,579
when so when people find out what you

1104
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:40,740
guys are there to do you know when you

1105
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,900
arrive at a new location and you're

1106
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:44,700
there you start talking to people how

1107
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,880
receptive is the population to that like

1108
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,160
do you get a big group of people to come

1109
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:52,200
and talk to you are these sort of more

1110
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:55,980
standoffish like what's the general uh

1111
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,619
feeling that you get from these people

1112
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,660
I would have to say Jason great question

1113
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,060
I would have to say that um

1114
00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,339
they're eager you know they're very

1115
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:07,020
eager to tell their stories like

1116
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:09,900
especially in Italy more so in Ecuador

1117
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,900
as well but in Italy I mean these are

1118
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,420
are individuals that have dedicated 20

1119
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,720
plus years of their lives to studying

1120
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:21,180
this and they've become like the the you

1121
00:45:26,569 --> 00:45:25,260
know the grandfathers of you know uh the

1122
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:26,579
I don't know what you call that the

1123
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,160
Bears of the knowledge you know like

1124
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,680
um so they had never opened up to

1125
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:34,319
anybody but they had seen our work they

1126
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,140
had a respect for our approach that were

1127
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,200
authentic we're not trying to

1128
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,480
sensationalize we're not trying to over

1129
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,200
height cue the dramatic music style kind

1130
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:48,900
of project you know where we're it's not

1131
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,619
a fear-based or uh scary alien kind of

1132
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,079
extraterrestrial like to hear these

1133
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,000
gentlemen talk about the villagers and

1134
00:46:01,630 --> 00:45:59,220
to literally have one guy say well this

1135
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,640
woman was in her kitchen and a gray

1136
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:04,079
extraterrestrial came to her window and

1137
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:07,319
poked his head up and they laugh

1138
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:10,619
it's a full understanding that

1139
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,079
they go to these Villages at least this

1140
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,060
is one theory that they go to these

1141
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,579
Villages because it's a safe place you

1142
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,380
know it's a safe place it's a quiet

1143
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,780
place it's not like it's not like a big

1144
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:24,480
city it's it's they know that they can

1145
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:26,940
come in no one's going to freak out no

1146
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,619
one's going to get too too crazy sure

1147
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:30,900
there's a little bit of a whoa what just

1148
00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:33,240
happened but there's still this

1149
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,819
understanding so when we come in we come

1150
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,160
in with all the respect in the world we

1151
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:40,920
we we respect the environment we respect

1152
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,980
the people we respect the stories we're

1153
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,200
not there to cast judgment we're not

1154
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:48,540
there to do any of that and I think that

1155
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,280
well that just continues to open up some

1156
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,839
pretty incredible doors I mean we

1157
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:54,240
already have some amazing things lined

1158
00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:57,180
up for 2023 in areas we've never got the

1159
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,119
chance to go to through covid and a lot

1160
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,180
of that is because of how we honestly

1161
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,400
how we respect and approach the topic

1162
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,079
and the people

1163
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,720
nice

1164
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:11,700
what about your gear what do you like

1165
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,900
what you say you got what do you call it

1166
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:15,599
the wmd the weapon of mass detection

1167
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,640
so what kind of yeah it's using to

1168
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,619
capture this stuff yeah it's

1169
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,960
affectionately known as the wmd weapon

1170
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:23,700
of mass detection and it's everything

1171
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:28,560
from military thermal now it's like one

1172
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:31,920
shade off of military military it has to

1173
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,740
be totally waterproof and you pay you

1174
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:37,200
know a lot more for that but the

1175
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:38,819
equipment that I have is military

1176
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,700
equipment it's just not the extra stage

1177
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:43,260
to make it waterproof don't need it

1178
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:45,060
waterproof we don't go filming in the

1179
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:47,099
rain it's a lot cheaper but there's

1180
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,260
there's the thermal the black and white

1181
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:51,660
thermal which picks up heat and we've

1182
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:54,420
seen things in that we saw an actual

1183
00:48:00,290 --> 00:47:58,140
classic saucer with a dome in Australia

1184
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:00,300
uh it was Damien Knott that happened to

1185
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:02,819
be looking through it at the time and we

1186
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:06,240
were recording it and uh as as the ETS

1187
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,980
would have it when we went to playback

1188
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,020
we had all the audio but the video was

1189
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,760
snow Mark's got the whole thing

1190
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,160
documented behind the scenes so that's

1191
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,280
the thermal we have the green the green

1192
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,339
classic night vision which is uh near

1193
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:23,460
infrared and it's the green is and it's

1194
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,520
also in wide angle for just having a

1195
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,920
scope in your hand and then the zoom for

1196
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,660
on the tripod

1197
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,359
then there's full spectrum wide angle

1198
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:36,960
for spotting and full spectrum Zoom then

1199
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:38,300
there's visible

1200
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:41,220
and then we have a separate so there's

1201
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,500
like seven to nine cameras on the big

1202
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,319
rack okay and all these are running all

1203
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,480
the time now after the Squamish incident

1204
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,880
because I only got it on one camera I

1205
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,980
leave all the equipment running the

1206
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:54,180
entire night

1207
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,560
and then if we have something happens

1208
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:58,200
I'll mark it down and even I'll go

1209
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,119
through all the footage anyway to see if

1210
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:01,680
there's something but it takes

1211
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,920
do that I

1212
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:06,900
is

1213
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,940
um just time lapse so it's uh infrared

1214
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,640
time lapse and visible time lapse

1215
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:16,920
and shortly I'm sending the camera away

1216
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,040
to have the filters taken out and the uh

1217
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,740
ultraviolet filter put in so then there

1218
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:24,420
will be three on that there will be the

1219
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,420
infrared time lapse visible time lapse

1220
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,240
and UltraViolet time lapse they say

1221
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,160
there is some stuff that can be seen in

1222
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:35,040
ultraviolet and no other wavelength so

1223
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,380
we have all that stuff I do have stuff

1224
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:39,119
that you don't see very often also I've

1225
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:41,160
got digital radar

1226
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:44,339
so it's it's a low powered chirp radar

1227
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:45,720
so you can stand right in front of the

1228
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:48,180
Dome and it won't hurt you okay so you

1229
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,500
know it's a lot of stuff to take on

1230
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,020
Expedition so I generally only take that

1231
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,720
if we're driving to an expedition you

1232
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,920
know I've taken all that on the airplane

1233
00:49:59,809 --> 00:49:57,660
but it's just too much it's just too

1234
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,819
much stuff and you spend half your time

1235
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:02,040
setting it up and half your time tearing

1236
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:04,140
it down it's you know so I've gotten

1237
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:07,740
recently the stuff from Ron alts UFO dap

1238
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,980
system which is two cameras

1239
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,440
um that are apart and then you can

1240
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,359
triangulate and they sit on tripods and

1241
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:17,520
they are recording all night

1242
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,119
and if there's something seen it it you

1243
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,400
know records a file so you'll have a

1244
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,640
series of files saved on your laptop

1245
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:28,079
um so you know I kind of go through

1246
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,180
these stages where I'll take on new

1247
00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:31,920
equipment but then we'll I'll go through

1248
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:34,619
and do a call I'll sort of get rid of

1249
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:36,500
anything that doesn't seem to be useful

1250
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:39,240
so recently I've gotten more equipment

1251
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,160
but we'll we'll see what's useful and

1252
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:43,500
what isn't

1253
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,280
um

1254
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,220
so you know it's kind of evolved it's

1255
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,440
kind of evolved over the years of of

1256
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,319
what's good the probably the most useful

1257
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:55,380
camera on the whole rack

1258
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,099
well there's two the main one is your

1259
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,319
um night vision Zoom that's the one that

1260
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,140
caught the squamishorb and then I would

1261
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,300
say the next one is your full spectrums

1262
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,400
there's full spectrum wide and there's

1263
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:11,040
full spectrum Zoom like it zooms right

1264
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,099
in like 1200 millimeters or whatever

1265
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,440
and you can literally see in the windows

1266
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,720
if there's a craft or something

1267
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,819
but the crazy thing is is you know when

1268
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,000
we were in uh Peru a few years ago near

1269
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:27,599
Cusco Peru just with my iPhone I

1270
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:30,660
captured a very unusual very detailed

1271
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:31,559
craft

1272
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:35,400
and we've shown that to Lou Elizondo and

1273
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:39,359
um he he thinks now you never know with

1274
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,420
Luke because he has to dumb down his

1275
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:45,359
language when he talks uh he's under a

1276
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,300
non-disclosure so sometimes he has to

1277
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:51,359
talk in code he can't disclose anything

1278
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,140
classified so I don't know whether he

1279
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,540
knows what it is and is specula and

1280
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:00,660
pretending to speculate but he says it's

1281
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:03,660
the energy imprint of a craft going

1282
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,480
between Dimensions but it's quite sharp

1283
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:09,359
it is quite sharp and I think you can

1284
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,579
find that on our Channel Mark if you put

1285
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,000
in Cusco craft yeah

1286
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:16,680
yeah correct Cusco craft

1287
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:20,220
yeah and it's it's so sharp that you

1288
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,740
know I've been on UFO Facebook groups

1289
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:24,839
that I've gotten booten out of because

1290
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,480
people think I'm using Photoshop well

1291
00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:30,000
it's it's real it's what I captured on

1292
00:52:35,809 --> 00:52:32,819
the iPhone and it is real

1293
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:35,819
um but you know most people expect UFO

1294
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:38,760
footage to be very bad and grainy and so

1295
00:52:43,069 --> 00:52:40,500
if you have something that's unusually

1296
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:43,079
sharp people usually discount it I mean

1297
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,520
they're you know from time to time

1298
00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,099
people do get good pictures

1299
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,040
you know it is more rare but they do get

1300
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,900
it and we happen to get it with the

1301
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,640
Cusco craft

1302
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:56,040
yeah there's uh also that uh there's a

1303
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,700
gentleman that kind of kept seeing a UFO

1304
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,680
crafts I think this is Romania or

1305
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,119
checklist Slovakia or something like

1306
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,700
that but he zoomed in on this craft one

1307
00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:07,200
night and you could see almost two

1308
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,020
entities in the front uh I forgot the

1309
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:12,000
the location exactly and the name of the

1310
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,440
gentleman in question it was like a

1311
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,720
Delta craft right with a window you can

1312
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:17,760
see two entities standing in there it's

1313
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:19,500
a lot of people rip it apart and say

1314
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,200
it's nonsense but yeah I mean well

1315
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:24,240
either way it was faked he did a pretty

1316
00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:25,800
good job because to be able to zoom in

1317
00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:27,660
like that and to capture that that was

1318
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,640
you know insane and I keep thinking that

1319
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,859
you guys with your rigs are bound to

1320
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:34,020
capture something like that as well and

1321
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:36,059
you guys were mentioning too before that

1322
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,800
you know it's nice to bring this

1323
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,300
equipment along but after that there's

1324
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,760
the logistics of carrying this stuff up

1325
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,680
the mountains that you guys are going to

1326
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,300
you know spend the night on or something

1327
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,339
like that and just the Hazardous

1328
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,200
conditions that uh you know Mother

1329
00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:52,020
Nature throws at you and uh you know

1330
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:53,579
just carrying all this equipment that

1331
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,640
that's that's a lot of work in of itself

1332
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,619
you almost need a separate Cruise it is

1333
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,240
oh yeah right

1334
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,579
well and quite often people that come

1335
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,800
along do help me with this stuff

1336
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,720
um and we've gotten to the point Jason

1337
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:09,180
that you know I get very involved with

1338
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:10,740
the technical side

1339
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,339
and we generally take half the time

1340
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,839
where there's no equipment

1341
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:18,240
in other words okay I disconnect from

1342
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:20,280
all this technical equipment and just

1343
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,020
try to connect to the ET beings

1344
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,480
themselves right and we've had some

1345
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:27,540
pretty fabulous return on that from time

1346
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,420
to time like in Australia when we

1347
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,579
you know feel that we made contact with

1348
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:34,140
it being there I think I told the story

1349
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:37,920
on one of your previous podcasts

1350
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:39,960
um but you know I get quite involved

1351
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:42,780
with all this these cameras and so half

1352
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,579
the time we will leave all that stuff at

1353
00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:46,200
home and I just let that out of my mind

1354
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,200
and just try to make contact and

1355
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:50,400
honestly we're getting a lot of messages

1356
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:52,800
recently though through other people who

1357
00:54:58,010 --> 00:54:55,380
are very sensitive and so on and we've

1358
00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:58,020
the messages have come to us directly

1359
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:01,079
that they're going to let us record

1360
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:04,920
sort of more how would you put it more

1361
00:55:08,809 --> 00:55:06,540
direct footage

1362
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:08,819
and we've always been of that view too

1363
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:10,800
that they're going to let us know if if

1364
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:12,599
we're going to be able to record it like

1365
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,300
for example you know the Squamish orb

1366
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,760
there in BC we all felt that we were

1367
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:19,200
going to see something that night we

1368
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,819
could almost taste it we just knew we

1369
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,680
just didn't know when right and it was

1370
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:25,200
that it was at 10 59 PM that it happened

1371
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,980
but you know quite often when

1372
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,480
when there's going to be something

1373
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,520
happen we can feel it not all the time

1374
00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:35,040
but we we do get a sense and it's quite

1375
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,859
cohesive in the group the group all can

1376
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,540
kind of sense yeah there's there's going

1377
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:41,280
to be something to happen tonight

1378
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,359
nice when an hour flies by so fast uh

1379
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,339
Louis do you have any uh final questions

1380
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,020
for our guests today no I just want to

1381
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,640
say a big thanks to Rob Freeman and Mark

1382
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,500
McNabb for coming on the show uh it's

1383
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,059
awesome to chat with guys who get the

1384
00:55:57,470 --> 00:55:55,920
science behind it but yet still have a

1385
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:57,480
little bit of that spirituality as well

1386
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:59,460
and I think that's important we get

1387
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,319
comments from people on both ends of the

1388
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,559
spectrum like it's UFO UFOs and not uh

1389
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:06,359
you know uh Consciousness and don't go

1390
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:08,280
there and then we have people that say

1391
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,020
oh these are all just angels and there's

1392
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:12,300
no such thing so we have to have a

1393
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,240
healthy you know suspension of judgment

1394
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,339
with the whole phenomena I mean if

1395
00:56:20,569 --> 00:56:18,720
you're if you're going to keep your your

1396
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,579
opinion in a little box you're never

1397
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:22,559
going to learn anything new and uh I

1398
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:23,819
think it's important and the more you

1399
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:26,460
guys find I guess the more encouraging

1400
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,200
it is for you so if people want to check

1401
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:30,000
you guys out where can they find your

1402
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:30,960
material

1403
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,300
oh the best place to go the best place

1404
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:35,099
to go is definitely the UFO World

1405
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,280
Explorer YouTube channel over 350 videos

1406
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:40,800
on there chronicling the last seven or

1407
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:42,180
eight years

1408
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,099
um and obviously Facebook I mean we have

1409
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,319
two pages up there now we've got the UFO

1410
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,260
World Explorer Facebook page and we've

1411
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,359
also got encounters which is a new one

1412
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,339
that we've launched

1413
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:55,440
um very excited about that my last plug

1414
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,680
just because you've mentioned about the

1415
00:57:01,609 --> 00:57:00,119
spiritual and the science it's a really

1416
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:01,619
cool thing coming out in the new

1417
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:03,780
documentary that we did called messages

1418
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,140
from the Andes because I got to um

1419
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:10,079
create a story that has

1420
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:12,660
um spiritual and and and Consciousness

1421
00:57:18,790 --> 00:57:15,300
connected Ricardo Gonzalez pairing up

1422
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,800
with Rob who's got a beautiful

1423
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,900
analytical scientific mind and to put

1424
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:24,359
those two gentlemen together

1425
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,660
um in one full-length film was uh was a

1426
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:29,040
complete joy and I think I think

1427
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:30,900
audiences will love that and I'll just

1428
00:57:35,569 --> 00:57:33,540
let you know the exact release date it's

1429
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,579
very very soon it's within the next

1430
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:37,800
month or so so very excited for that too

1431
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,740
looking forward to that Mark McNabb Rob

1432
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,480
Freeman thank you so much for coming on

1433
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,400
the podcast today let's have you guys

1434
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:46,920
back on again very soon talk about your

1435
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:48,839
new documentary when it releases of

1436
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:51,000
course and uh you guys are always

1437
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,859
welcome on this podcast it's always open

1438
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:54,000
to you

1439
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:56,220
great thank you so much Jason and Louie

1440
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:57,540
appreciate it thanks guys thank you so